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September 25, 2007

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Gabrio Tosti

Ti ho anticipato di qualche giorno; ho scritto un post a riguardo la scorsa settimana in cui menzionavo il fatto che per contrastare il caro Euro molti produttori hanno un listino prezzi "America" piu` bassi di quelli europei, altri hanno negoziato un tasso fisso di scambio per cui l'importatore ha sempre un cambio costante. Ancora per ora c'e` sempre molto interesse da parte dei produttori ad essere rappresentati a Manhattan quindi pur di essere competitivi sul mercato sono disposti a fare dei sacrifici.
Mr. Chadderdon dice che nei prossimi 9 mesi possiamo vedere l'euro a 1.55 in quel caso vedremo aumentare i prezzi di parecchio dato che non credo che ci siano i margini per assorbire altri 15 punti di incremento.
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Richard

This hurts smaller producers more than big ones. For example, look how foreign carmakers have mostly held the line in price increases, depite the Euros rise. You need to have a lot of capital and sell a lot worldwide to do this.

Terry Hughes

@ Richard -- and the smaller producers are exactly the ones I care most about. Your example is a good one, because it does show how the big guys can weather many more storms to maintain their market position.

@ Gabrio -- yes, I read your post. But after talking with my friend from DC and reading the op-ed piece, it's pretty plain to me that the effects of Bush's irresponsibility and the American public's fondness for living beyond their means has dug us into a whole that the Chinese, Japanese, etc., aren't so willing to dig us out of these days. A $1.55 for the euro? Foreign affairs bears are looking at a possibility of $2 per euro given the macroeconomic outlook. The future looks fairly dismal.

Gabrio Tosti

$2????????
I need to change job :)
The problem is also the lack of intervention from the European Bank I guess this is the right time to cut the rates in Europe as well.

Terry Hughes

Seriously, it's very worrying. That may be a worst case scenario, but the way things have been going lately...

fredric koeppel

This may be an esoteric example, but few producers are smaller and more handcrafty than the producers in Burgundy. I have been writing a post for KoeppelOnWine about burgundies from 2005; the prices are horrendous. Village wines are going for $50 to $60; premier cru vineyard wines, even not from the best situations, are $75 to $100. Burgundy has always been expensive, but this is unreal. The wines are great, but still ...

Terry Hughes

Rich Russians, Chinese, Singaporeans, etc., etc., are bidding all of the big-name appellations up, all over the place. What they can afford we suddenly can't. (I say "we" fully excluding myself.) We'll be feeling like the Brits did for 40 years after the War, only instead of muttering "bloody Yanks" we'll be muttering "goddamn Chinks." (Excluding me personally, mind you.)

Gabrio Tosti

Let them buy all the big France shots at those prices it means that the American market will absorb more, higher end, Italian and Spanish wines.
Quality wine from Australia and USA are as expensive if not more but, in my opinion, not close to the European quality/price ratio.

Alfonso

Odd- because in the sales game we all try to sell more all the time. that's the goal, more sales to more people. So if we convince our Italian winemakers to hold-the-line on price increases they will expect better performance. And with the inevitable slowdown of consumers buying on credit, one possible area to look into will be the new drinker. Problem is they usually start on the bottom of the food chain, i.e. inexpensive entry level wines. I have tons of data to back all of this up from the mega-computer I'm hooked up to ( what we call "the Matrix", at work).

The simple answer. Day by day, door by door, person by person. Wearing out the old shoe leather, daily diligence, sell, sell, sell. Basic blocking and tackling. People won't stop drinking. How'd you like to be in the perfume business? At least the wine-biz is still committed to using grapes to make their product( most of the time).

But the Chinese curse (the whole living in interesting times thing) is upon us.

Terry Hughes

Nice response, Alfonso. You definitely would know.

People won't stop drinking, true. But my question is: will it be Italian wine? And if so, what sort of Italian wine -- from where and at what price points?

Richard

Terry,

Rich Russians and Chinese are also driving the art & antique markets sky high. How come so many supposedly intelligent wealthy people never see the burst coming of the bubbles they help create?

Richard

Giampiero alias Aristide

I totally agree with Alfonso views. Here in Europe it's considered realistic a target rate of $1.50/$1.55. So Euro is going up, but economic cycle will change. I think that there are interesting opportunities now to build market positions for small italian wineries. A window opportunity that's going to be open for few months. Increasing interest (as you report) in "alternative" italian small wineries should match lower prices, old customers of italian wines and new ones, all this despite the climbing Euro. Those small wineries aren't famous like those from Burgundy or Bordeaux, or like big brands from Piedmont or Tuscany. It's a great time - I guess - to adress your market with a different approach and import&sales organization, specially in big metropolitan areas like NYC or San Francisco, etc. Speeding the introduction of these new products (for your market, of course) could be an interesting opportunity, now. And for the near future.

East Village Wine Geek

Well I am just down right dizzy from all the info. If I was in half a state of mind to pipe in I would but because I am on the eve of such experience I cannot add anything else to the discussion. I guess what I am saying is thank you Terry for putting this out there. The ugly dark side needs to be discussed or we will all get hit over the head without knowing what did it. By the way please give me a call about January. You left me a message but I lost it somehow. I don't know if you had left your cell on it but I would love to continue to speak about it. I had heard something about just using In Vino?


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Nicola (Cercatore di Offerte)

E' incredibile... non so se potremo sopportare una differenza così grande.. questa "superiorità" sul dollaro farà si che non sia più conveniente acquistare prodotti in euro... l'unico campo che ho notato sta sempre calando, è (stranamente) quello dei voli lowcost... infatti ci ho fatto pure un sito per cercare di aiutare chi cerca qualcosa di conveniente! http://www.cheapandtravel.com

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