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December 09, 2007

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Marco

What are we getting disguised as Nero d'Avola? Can you name producers or would this be dangerous to your health?

Mike Tommasi

Terry

I did a recent Zin-Primitivo event here in Provence, and of 6 wines tasted the most balanced was a $10 Seghesio base. The more expensive Zins were unsubtle and big, the Primitivos also. A Negroanmaro was slipped into the lineup, unfortunately at the end (it should have gone first) so we could not really tell but it had something to it. So did the Primitivos, But it did not come together. Each wine has something good about it but was lacking other characteristics.

This is not surprising. I hate to mention France in this context, but experience here shows that southern wines should be blended (see Chateauneuf, Bordeaux, Provence, Languedoc Roussillon, Bandol). No single grape can contribute all the elements of finesse, elegance, structure, acidity etc.. Blending allows you to build your wine with the available components. IT IS A SOUTHERN TRADITION.

Puglia having more or less the same conditions as our Languedoc, despite the difference in latitude, they ought to consider BLENDING.

Luca Risso

@Mike
But they do. The most traditional blend in Puglia is the Salice Salentino DOC, Negroamaro AND Malvasia Nera. One other very polpular one is the blending Nero di Troia AND Montepulciano. Primitivo IMHO is just a exception, but consider that in the past it was mostly a sweet or semi-sweet wine, or matter to enrich wines of the north of Italy (and France, indeed).
Luk

Mike Tommasi

Hi Luk

I was thinking that Primitivo itself could be blended with some other grapes to make up for some of the shortcomings, for example some carignan for acidity maybe? Or the equivalent local grape. Ot could still be 50-75% Primitivo and keep the name...

Fredric Koeppel

i need to get you some zinfandels that are not soaring alcohol, blockbuster, "grapey cough syrup" wines. You keep maligning the grape and the wine, and they're not all like that.

Richard

Fred,

Which Zins do you recommend in that regard?

Richard

Luca Risso

@Fredric
Let me invert the usual question if a certain european wine is imported in the US.
What good US zin you know is imported in Europe (Italy in my case)?

Luk

Richard

Do they import a lot of USA wine to Italy? I have seen very little of it in Ireland and England on previous trips. It must be cheaper to have European wines shipped around Europe, than having American wines shipped into Europe.

Terry Hughes

Well, well, my provocation worked. Again!

Most Primitivo is blended, albeit secretly, and the blending grape can be aglianico, merlot, negroamaro, you name it. The Primitivos from the Gioia del Colle DOC are much less fruit bomby than the Primitivo di Manduria...more complex and mineral too.

FK, please change my mind. The experiences I have had, admittedly not that many, have been less than underwhelming.

Richard, I think US wines do OK in the UK and maybe a couple of other countries in Europe. Problem: price-quality ratio. It just ain't there compared to wines from a lot closer like southern France, Spain etc.

Luk, maybe Giovanni has some in Rapallo???

Must run, am touring Montecucco at the moment...of which you will be hearing a great deal more in coming weeks, trust me.

Marco

Terry,
Try a bottle Joel Gott zinfandel

Fredric Koeppel

Of zinfandels that are pretty widely available in most US markets, try Artezin as a "starter" zin, and then move to Ridge Three Valleys and Ridge Lytton Springs. Others to look for are Frog's Leap, Girard, Sausal Private Reserve and Old Vines, Ravenswood Belloni Vineyard. Harder to find but worth a search are Porter-Bass zinfandel and the Oakville Ranch Field Blend. Look for 2004s and 2005s. The emphasis in these models is on the balance between power and structure and fruit.

Richard

I have had and enjoyed Frog's Leap.

Marco

FK,
Sausel, I had forgot about it. It's been a while. Excellent Zin. Three Valleys is also a good value. Then you move on up the Ridge ladder.

David J

I (mis)educated my palate on Zins in th mid 90's as a reaction against family taste for the mid- to lower end Riojas... I'm loath to diss someone like Rob't Biale or his team who tend to go big but will manage some subtler stuff say, when sourcing cooler area fruit like Monte Rosso.
Couple of Zins I picked up for old times' sake while in CA last year & enjoyed were by the Lolonis family up in Redwood Valley, Mendo Co.
Cheers!

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