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April 22, 2008

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Ronald

T,
after 3 months living here in Italy, one thing that i observed the most is that:

Institutionalized crimes is deeply rooted in Italian culture, i am sorry to say this but almost all aspect of Italian life, big or little has something to do with crime..i heard 'marvellous' stories of Italian organised crime and involvement even in Australian wine making industry! note Australian brands with italian names...
i am not saying that 'everyone' is 'involved' as there are some who as you said, are honest, marvellous and hardworking wine maker and producer..

It would be sad if the people in the 'high places' does nothing, be in self denial with the hope that the name 'Brunello di Montalcino' itself is enough to cover the tracks and misdeeds of the guilty one..

I still have 5 months more here in Italy, i'm keeping my fingers crossed all the time with the hope that this scandal will NOT be the poster boy of self destruction

andrea gori

Phrases like "Institutionalized crimes is deeply rooted in Italian culture" are something that makes us italians very angry! Deeply rooted is what from outside is very common and likely to seem but I assure you that is something common only in the movies. Italy would not have benne the fifth WORLD biggest economy is this was true!
What happen in Montalcino and elsewhere is the continuing struggle between a state with some old and impossible rules made out by politicians that have always some pleasure to do to someone and the producers that are trying to cope with the customers and the market. Don't you know that our taxes are the highest in Europe and probably the world? and our public services are probably one of the worst?

Ronald

Ciao Andrea
spero que mio opinion non hai disturbato la tua bella giornata!

but you yourself admit that its due to some part, are caused by the politicians but WHY didn't somebody or any Italians say out loud that this is wrong and needs to be changed?
when i say 'deeply rooted', it means that it is mentioned almost all the time in the media, consciously, unconsciously or subconsciously italian people read this news all the time, the scandals of Brunello, tainted wines, Mozzarella di Buffala containing dioxins, Napoli grabage problems, abnormally high taxes but nothing changes, just more highlights in the media

anyway, my opinions is not supposed to provoke anyone, it is just my observation and thanks (or apologies ) to Andrea for the enlightenment..

what do you expect from a 25 year old who have been giving the runarounds in getting his student 'permesso de soggiorno' and 'codice fiscale'?

Fredric Koeppel

the story in the Times this morning indicates that this issue, this problem in Montalcino is NOT going away. the producers need to 'fess up and fix up. if they want to make "modern" wines, go ahead, but call them something else.

andrea gori

I am not upset and you had not ruined my day Ron! You americans got the UFO and the X Files and we have mafia under everything we cannot define in other way...:-)

andrea gori

and good luck for your permesso di soggiorno...I know what it means in Italy! my wife is german and it was NOT so easy to marry her for our fantastic bureacracy!

TH

Andrea, Ron isn't American, he's Malaysian, so he's not guilty of being one of U.S. assholes!

Secondly, I guess if I wanted to buy an apartment in Italy it would be hell to get it done??

It's always been a dream of mine to live in Italy for at least part of the year. Not when the houses aren't heated.

Richard Peden

Today, the New York Times finally posted an article on Brunello that our blogs have been reporting for weeks. The powerful seem to always move slow and divulge little. All the more reason to buy local and know/support your fellow artisans.

andrea gori

terry for your apartment I can ask some friend of mine from mafia...
and richard...the little the better...in wine, food and journalism!

TH

Andrea Gori, uomo d'onore!

TH

@ Richard, you couldn't be more right. When it's possible to know fellow artisans. I'm thinking of a wine lover in North Dakota or Alberta, a long way from a wine-producing region. This is where attentive, trustworthy distributors and importers come in. We usually know who they are, even if the general public doesn't.

Ergo the value of bloggers and their media. Like it or not, we are all really just consumers in the end. And we need to let "a suffering humanity" know what's what or we too are guilty of falling down on the job.

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