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May 24, 2008

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Marco

2,000 a year in the USA might get you covered for hang nails, maybe.

Terence Dominic

If it isn't a pre-existing condition.

It's truly fucked up, isn't it?

Allyson

I know of a couple who live in a rent controlled apartment in mid town Manhattan and who live comfortably, both on long-term disability. They come and go as they please.

They travel well, and frequently, and have figured out how to work within the American system.

They get their trash picked up regularly and they have access to cheap and regular public transportation.

I couldn't imagine any folks like that damning a system they benefit so well from.

Terence Dominic

Oddly enough, Allyson, they pay through the nose for health care, and besides, they sympathize with the many millions who are far less privileged than they. Their cleaning lady, for example, whose son was murdered by drug dealers (oops, a mistake, our bad), owes a fortune in health bills for her thyroid cancer and will never dig herself out from under the debt. In Italy it would be one less worry for a person who has no insurance and a constant fear of dispossession.

Perhaps you have lived too long in G. W. Bush country, sweetie.

Allyson

I don't live in G.W Bush country. But it was real nice of them to keep that lady cleaning their toilets.

Terence Dominic

So you say. I hear he's moving to your nabe. Maybe you can ask him for a cup of oil.

She irons too.

maurdel

I wonder what are the comparative percentages of lucky Americans that have access to "cheap and regular public transportation" and the numbers of Italians or in fact all Europeans.

Everyone keeps saying the Europeans pay so much more for gasoline, but as I see it, they have much more access to alternative transportation.

justine

here's the thing, it's not Italy;s healthcare system per se that's so fab,it's a Yurp thing. Wherever you are in Yurp you get pretty much the same standard of pretty much free medical care.(Actually, Italy's is not free, even at point of use, as there is something called 'ticket' whereby you have to pay for certain treatments, day surgeries , medicines , etc, or at least contribute to them, income allowing). Everyone whinges but really, you get a sysyem with hiccoughs, but the digestion works.
Italy , in general, is a nick on the dial from being toast. It is, culturally, highly individualistic - great for families, entrepreneurs and the wealthy. But there is little community outside the family (and that's crumbling as an institution), entrepreneurs are suffocated by corruption and red tape, and the wealthy operate a closed shop. And these negatives are gift-wrapped by the state, who is largely ignored or disdained by the populace...thusly evryone has their own little bubble, inside of which they can be immune to the stifled economy around them. Spain is now ahead of Italy...

Terence Dominic

Except for the corruption working against entrepreneurs part, it doesn't sound all that different from home sweet home. Which, lest Allyson and everyone forget, is sort of the point. Except that the average person isn't left quite so coldly to twist slowly, slowly in the wind. Italian health care may not be "free" but it doesn't send families to living in their cars or sleeping all night on subways, which, trust me, happens in the U.S. of A. When I taught in the Bronx, there were plenty of those families with kids somehow dressed in their parochial school uniforms and doing their homework on the subway car floors. Yeah, it's a great system.

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