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1WineDude

Interesting take!

But it's kind of late.

I like Tom (and Steve H.). But neither of them checked with any of the participants on the facts.

Whoops!

So, I think the blogger dropout to whom you refer is NOT dropping out because of a few hurt feelings.

It's because hell is the absence of reason, and right now the reaction of some of the blogosphere to this is hell.

Would've taken not a jot of effort for either of them to contact one of us to confirm.

Whoops.

And by not doing any fact-checking whatsoever, what people are missing here is that if Rodney Strong gets a bad taste in its mouth in terms of working with bloggers in this way, because we have come off as group of uncoordinated, sophomoric monkeys who can't refrain from flinging poo at each other, then we won't long be celebrating the ascendancy of wine blogging.

Whoops...

Strappo

Thanks for the comment. It's kind of late because even I like to mull things over for a time.

I think that tender feelings are precisely the point. You cannot ever control others' reactions or feelings but you can buck up and deal with your own.

The nature of the Net and of blogging, a pure Net phenom, makes it almost inevitable that this sort of shit storm breaks every now and then. It's part of the fun, this rough-and-tumble, and it does prepare you well for the mainstream, I believe. If you can make it here...

Fredric Koeppel

Strappo: thank you for using "disinterested" correctly.

Dude: you do sort of have a way with words.

Strappo

Thank you, FK, and blessed be ye. I may not be showered with samples or given awards or get mainstream mention, but I try, God knows I try. (sob!)

fredric koeppel

you can take a guy outta the classroom, but you can't take the classroom outta the guy.

1WineDude

Totally agree - the shit storms do happen.

My opinion is that this one was preventable. All Tom had to do was send an email beforehand.

He didn't. Probably on purpose (he's a very smart guy, after all), to cause a shit storm and drive some traffic.

Thomas - I think you're spot on with your comment on Tom W.'s blog:

"A journalist does not accept preconditions, especially from a PR agent, to write something, whether that something is a story or a review..."

I certainly would never argue that a writer shouldn't follow a code of ethics/conduct. My point is only that this shit storm is based on the assumption that a few of us wine bloggers agreed to writing conditions **with a winery** for providing us a sample.

And that patently did NOT happen. We agreed them **with an editor**, which I think happens (ethically?) all the time in mainstream media.

I can take the heat (check out the WS Forums for proof of that! :-). What I can't take is the disrespect I've been shown in having the facts ignored - it's the equivalent of telling me that I'm not believed. In other words, I'm a liar.

And that is simply bullshit.

1WineDude

"Dude: you do sort of have a way with words."

Thanks, Fred. Was it the use of "flinging poo" that won you over? 'Cause that's one of my personal faves. ;-)

Fred, Tom, Terrence - I still really dig your blogs. Even after the shit storm!

Fredric Koeppel

"flinging poo"!!!!! that was exactly it!

1WineDude

I knew it!

I'm on to you, Fred... I'm onto you...

:-)

Strappo

Joe, baby, you don't think Tom did this just to drive traffic? I might do that, but I think he really was bothered by the thin red line aspect of the affair. Whatever his motives, I still maintain he did us all a service by raising the point and stating it in such forceful terms. Yes, I guess it was good for his site traffic too.

BTW, I think the cast of "Scrubs" already established that "it all comes down to poo." Quite profound.

1WineDude

Not *just* to drive traffic. I wouldn't contend that.

But he didn't go out of his way to check any facts about the 'experiment' with Jeff, me, the winery, etc. Guy's too smart for that - it feels at least a little bit calculated (to me).

I could be wrong, of course - I've never met Tom personally. But we seem to share some measure of incorrigible spirit so maybe I can see into his brain a little bit...

Strappo

Hint: Don't call him "Fred." Umbrage will be taken.

1WineDude

Whoops! Sorry - all "Fred"s hereby recanted, to be replaced with "Dear Sir".

justine

Strappo, (my love), if I may venture a 'hmmm', it does indeed hmmm to me that a bit of poo was flung and too may people scurried off to get their fans. I too would opine that no great crime has occurred (but I would say that as we're doing a very similar tasting exercise), but of far greater concern to me is this: blogging is an organic thing, and it's going to grow in the way it will. There are no rules, it self-regulates and it feeds it's own appetite. This kind of public scrapping and posturing doesn't taste good, and it loses sight of what blogging is about (at least for today). It's personal opinion, pure and simple. It can be applied in many ways, but when we start to bolt on 'journalism', 'PR', 'marketing', then some perspective of that pure and simple thang is being lost. In my personal opinion, obviously.

Strappo

Very wise words, dear Justine (my love, my poppet). Tell me, has anyone besides you been following this thing in Espana? What's the take on it?

Regards to all my amici.

Thomasina

How are you. After all it is those who have a deep and real inner life who are best able to deal with the irritating details of outer life.
I am from Singapore and learning to write in English, tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "You have no order generic imitrex problem doing it when you masturbate."

:D Thanks in advance. Thomasina.

TH

Thomasina, you slut, it's nice to exit on a high note.

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